The Grammar Thing

This post is for your reflection:

Just how much grammar should a person know in order to teach English? Perhaps for beginning classes, not much; however, knowing the grammatical structure of the language you teach might help you, even with beginners.

What do you think?

How much should you know?

How important is grammar in ELT?

Check out Carmeyrose’s youtube videos http://www.youtube.com/user/carmeyrose) :

                                            

Here is a PPT you can look at to review the nine parts of speech. U1 Grammar parts of speech. Also, please visit  Your Teacher Trainer on the links in the category TKT support for great grammar practice.

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  1. #1 by Sergio Gomar on February 23, 2011 - 3:35 am

    If you asked how much grammar I needed to pick up my mother tongue, my response would be none. On the other hand, if you asked me the same question for a Second Language Acquisition goal, my answer would be tons.
    Despite the fact that advanced college students need a good awareness of grammatical terms to manage and grasp their own language, they could smoothly communicate their ideas without knowing the whole of their native language grammatical rules. If we consider that adult learners are impelled to learn a second language meta-consciously; then, we must assume that the amount of grammar needed in an ELT classroom involving adults learners, should be greater than the one needed in a youngsters learners’ one. In a second language acquirer’s mind, the consciousness and inner self of a student requires them to get to know how the language works and manage its control; this puts them way far ahead of the language native speakers who sometimes can only use their language but cannot control their own native language abilities.

  2. #2 by akairu on February 23, 2011 - 4:40 am

    Most people, when they hear the word grammar, think of lots of useless, boring rules that they were forced to learn in school. It is precisely this attitude that has brought about the elimination of grammar in today’s second language classes.

  3. #3 by Luis Felipe on February 23, 2011 - 6:41 pm

    Grammar is a delicate matter, especially when teaching as a second language, because of the rules and strategies you should at least dominate in order to pass them onto the next generation of learners, whether or not you have a decent level of vocabulary or grammar.
    When teaching someone you’re imposing your knowledge onto someone that may even surpass your level of vocabulary or grammar, at that point you should be able to know your weak points in order to improve your skills and teach at a specific level, in accordance to your knowledge.
    First of all, master your skills and teach others in basic, middle or advanced level according to your own level, this way you should be able to know your own strong and weak points in order to improve your basic knowledge and surpass them so you can teach a second language the best way possible.

  4. #4 by Wezddy on February 23, 2011 - 10:22 pm

    A mother can teach a language to her son/daughter (being her first language) even without knowing anything of grammar. But, in order to teach a second language to someone, I think that knowing the grammatical structure of a language makes the teaching process much easier. You cannot explain something you don´t understand. You can pass the knowledge about how to say or how to write a word, or a sentence, but if someone asks you the reason for that, you won´t have enough tools to answer. In this case maybe you will just say “that´s the way it is”, while when knowing the rules, you can give the explanation of the word they are asking for, and furthermore how they can apply that knowledge to other words, sentences and situations.

    I think that if you know and teach grammar, your students can go faster on the learning process, because instead of learning word by word, or case by case, they will learn a set of rules applicable to the daily life and to a wide range of situations.

  5. #5 by Marco on February 25, 2011 - 6:22 pm

    In my opinion grammar is very important when you are a teacher. I would say that when you have a high level of grammar it is easier for you to teach or explain to your students what you want. And I say this based on my experience as student. Nevertheless, grammar is not everything, a good teacher only helps the students to learn by themselves. A teacher is only the medium.

  6. #6 by Octavio Cruz on February 25, 2011 - 11:22 pm

    “How much grammar do you need to know in order to teach English?”
    Tricky question, ain’t it? For many reasons:
    1. Let’s be serious: I don’t know anything about grammar. How to know how much grammar does it take to teach ANY language? – not only English! That’s what I’m here for, isn’t it?
    2. Notwithstanding how much grammar notions I might have acquired at elementary school – in my mother tongue-, it turns out to be quite obvious that the category-tags of any given grammatical classification is not necessarily to be termed the same as in any other language. And the problem doesn’t only go back to terms. E.g., what we call “past participle” in Spanish is called “past composed” in French. Furthermore, their usages are not alike. And so on.
    3. Even if I reached a comprehensive understanding of grammar, how could I tell whether or not, when it comes to a given situation, I am going beyond grammar to invade the fields of linguistics?
    Long story short, my answer is that, at least, we should learn the basic principles of grammar – the ones that leads to categorizing words, as well as the ones dealing with syntax. Thank you so much!

  7. #7 by stefany coria on July 13, 2011 - 2:05 am

    How much grammar do we need to know as teachers? Enough to answers a student’s question…..but then again do you KNOW WHAT students can and will ask you? No…so prepare yourself. The more we know the better. Obviously we will not overwhelm our students with absolutely everything we know but the more we know the better. Judging from the video it’s sad to see that some people really don’t seem to give grammar the importance it deserves. It was kind of funny at the beginning…but then it got me thinking that if we don’t properly prepare and help out our students…they will soon be speaking like that!

  8. #8 by oscardanielsj on July 14, 2011 - 4:50 am

    At first I used to think that grammar was not much important for beginning students, but after these videos and this unit I have changed my way of thnking about grammar.

    We need grammar to structure all the words that we know, because if we used just vocabulary by itself, the language is not going to work as we want. We are not going to express everything that we want, and in English it is very important to have structures.

    By the way, we can not leave vocabulary to one side either, in my personal opinion. Both are very important so we can not have one without the other.

    Now I am pretty sure that I am going to pay more attention in grammar than before, because foreign students learn differently; we already have a kind of structure in our first language, so getting new structers is a challenge.

    See you soon.. ”)

  9. #9 by suleth on September 3, 2011 - 4:24 pm

    I have never been a grammar fan at all, but I know it is very important to teach students as much as possible. Sometimes it can be overwhelming so we have to find a balance between grammar and vocabulary.

    So, how much grammar do we have to know? Again as much as possible. We must have to have the knowledge to transmit it to our students.

    Suleth, I hope that during the course you will be able to balance more components of language teaching than grammar and vocabulary. There is so much more to learn. Ellen

  10. #10 by laurant on September 3, 2011 - 6:38 pm

    I have known a lot of people which say that they hate grammar and everything related with it; not only in English, but even in my own language (I remember feeling the same on a certain occasion…) but it is time to change that point of view. Everything in the world has an order and a reason for exist: laws, scientific theories, mathematical and chemical formulas… And languages are not an exception.
    Or course, teaching grammar depends on the age of the students but I think that the more grammar we teach, the better prepared our students will be. There are many tools for making teaching fun, at the same time focusing on grammar or in another aspect of the language.
    We can say “I know a language” or “I know grammar about a certain language”, they are two very different expressions… Which do you prefer? And which of them do you want for your students? I prefer the second one.

    • #11 by I can do this on September 3, 2011 - 11:19 pm

      Laurant, I agree with you when you say that making learning fun helps students feel good about learning and will help them learn the language with more confidence and enthusiasm.
      Definitely, grammar is an important part of a language to learn , you have some very important points here. Ellen

  11. #12 by LULU on September 9, 2011 - 1:17 am

    As teacher, I can share with you that it is very important to know basic grammar. Why? Because if a teacher speaks excellent English but He/ She doesn´t have good enough grammar, the students won´t learn correctly.
    It is very important How much and How we are going to teach our students!
    It is true that a teacher makes learning easier and that students have to build their own knowledge, but I think it is very important His/Her role when the students are learning.

  12. #13 by Alejandra on September 18, 2011 - 5:21 am

    In my opinion, the use of grammar in the teaching and learning process of any foreign language, in this case English, it is essential because give us a very good command on this ability and provide us with the knowledge that as a teachers we will need to face up to any doubt or question that comes up from learners.
    Grammar is complex and extensive, and most of the times it is a hard and boring activity for students. However, I think it is very interesting to know that every single word has a specific place in the speech depending on what is the role it plays in a sentence. Since my own point of view, this make grammar a worthwhile activity.
    So, if we want to write and even to speak in an academic way, we will need to learn to use the grammatical structures correctly and to become aware that we need to acquire enough knowledge on this topic.

  13. #14 by yolaspace on September 21, 2011 - 2:57 am

    I have to confess that during my student stage I was always concern for grammar, many things confuse me at the time of writing and speaking correctly in English. However now I hope to dedicate it all the time than before I wasted by avoiding the grammar, because I realize of the huge necessity that I have for learn it.I have confidence that I´ll can with the couse because we have the best facilitator to assist us with.

  14. #15 by coldsophie on September 23, 2011 - 12:51 am

    Grammar.Definitely the biggest problem most of the people face while learning a foreign language, I think. Actually every language as far as I know has it’s own rules to speak it properly.
    Personally, I always hated grammar, but I also used to think that It was interesting. I used to understand grammar as the mathematics of the language because all of those different structures and forms.
    Now I understand why people get bored when they are learning grammar, they just think of grammar as the difficult part of learning the language, and as it is difficult, they won’t like it or enjoy learning it, unless the teacher finds the way to make it interesting or fun.
    As a teacher I wouldn’t like my students to feel that way.
    In my opinion the easiest way to learn grammar is practising, either speaking,reading, or listening, so I think teachers should look for up-to-date materials which help them make grammar teaching and learning easier and faster.
    How much do I know about grammar? As I wrote in my blog, I’m afraid of it right now, It makes me feel very confused and worried, because as teachers we’re supposed to know everything or at least VERY MUCH so we can solve the students doubts.
    We need to learn as much grammar as we can, because it is the whole cake and being a teacher without knowing any grammar would be like run without knowing how to walk.

  15. #16 by Denia on September 23, 2011 - 2:09 am

    Grammar is definitely important in any language because it’s the basis to understand how the language works. If you don’t know any grammar you may communicate anyway but you won’t do it correctly, and this, eventually, will get you into troubles.
    English learners expect teachers to guide them in the correct use of the language. Students would find it so difficult to realize that their English teacher couldn’t even explain a grammatical structure! That’s why I think that an English teacher must know as much grammar as possible.

  16. #17 by grezzia on September 23, 2011 - 5:01 am

    For every person in every language grammar is a fundamental part of the language, in our first language we learn to talk without know its rules because is something we do naturally when we grow up and most of the time we learn them unconsciously, but all chance when we learn a foreign language because we have to appropriate it from our culture which makes the things a little harder. So learn grammar is a fundamental part for a foreign language student and is essential to the natural speakers to know it perfect. When someone try to learn, in this case English, is something fundamental since the beginning explain rules as parts of the written language because is part of a graduate process and if we forget this aspect is going to be difficult to arrive to our main goal that is transmit the English to the students.

  17. #18 by Laura on September 23, 2011 - 5:00 pm

    Personally, I believe that grammar is one of the most important thingS in order to teach a language. How much grammar do we need to do it? It is a difficult question, however, we need to remember that nobody is perfect, we can´t know everything. Sometimes we won´t know how to answer a question, but I am sure we will look for it. Of course, we are continually learning and need to do our best effort. Keep studying, read more books and keep doing mistakes… that is the best way to learn.

    • #19 by I can do this on September 23, 2011 - 11:53 pm

      Hello Laura
      There are many occasions when I find that I need to look things up, not only grammar points but also the correct spelling and the proper punctuation to use with different words.For me, it is very important to have a dictionary in the classroom to look up these points. Ellen

  18. #20 by Alejandra on September 24, 2011 - 4:54 am

    In my opinion, the use of grammar in the teaching and learning process of any foreign language, in this case English, is essential because it gives us a very good command of the language and provides us with the knowledge that as a teachers we will need to answer any doubt or question that comes up from learners.
    Grammar is complex and extensive, and most of the times it is a hard and boring thing to learn for students. However, I think it is very interesting to know that every single word has a specific place in the speech depending on what the role it plays in a sentence. From my own point of view, this make grammar a worthwhile activity.
    So, if we want to write and even to speak in an academic way, we will need to learn to use the grammatical structures correctly and to become aware that we need to acquire enough knowledge on this topic.

  19. #21 by sssoscat on September 24, 2011 - 11:48 am

    Socrates said there were three kinds of people: the ones who don’t know they don’t know, the ones who know they don’t know and the ones who know they know.
    I think we can apply this to grammar. In the anthology, there was a reflection about a teacher who said little kids didn’t need to study grammar as, well… grammar. I agree with her. Perhaps it is something about maturity, about how we approach the world around us. I think that adults need to feel they have control over the situations, they need to understand what they are learning and why it is that way. Little learners, on the other side, would just end up confused. As a teacher, I really think age is an important factor in this particular topic.

  20. #22 by I can do this on September 25, 2011 - 11:32 am

    Cat, As you say, when you have children, there is little need to share grammar but adult learners like to know the why of things.

    Sometimes in adult classes there is a wide age range, from young adults in their late teens or early twenties to older adults in their sixties. Do you think the same type of teaching would be applicable to both ends of the age range? You might also find that in language institutes, teachers may end up leading mixed classes in which there are children and adults both. What would you do? Ellen

  21. #23 by LeonelGR on February 27, 2012 - 2:00 am

    In my opinion grammar is essential for teaching English. Trying to teach, as well as trying to learn English without the use of grammar would be like walking in the dark. Grammar is the mold into which we pour our vocabulary, without it we would end up with a shapeless discourse, not to mention we would be constantly liable to arise confusion or being misconstrued.

  22. #24 by ilianapao on February 28, 2012 - 5:25 pm

    Hi Ellen!
    In my humble opinion, Grammar is one of the most fearful monsters you will have to face when you are learning a second language, or a third, and even when you are studying your mother tongue at school – that and prepositions, but I know that’s not the subject that concerns us here. Believe me, I had to learn the grammar of three foreign languages and Spanish.

    If Grammar is so important when learning a language, just imagine how much more important it is when you are teaching a language! The case of English is no exception. This language needs grammar as much as French or Russian or any other one – and I think that the English teacher has to know Grammar as deeply as possible, in order to help students learn it as they should. It would be insanely boring indeed if you, the teacher, only write the grammar rules on the blackboard – or white board – and have students copying them down on their notebooks… the very idea sounds tedious! That is why I liked the Movie Segments to Assess Grammar site which Ellen showed us. Some other ideas for students to learn grammar in a fun way, so they don’t remember their grammar lessons as something close to torture, could be with songs, or with games, instead of just doing exercises and reading and writing.

    Let me tell you that everyone learns their mother tongue and their grammar without knowing the name of every single grammatical structure and part of speech – when we were babies, we had this amazing flexible brain that allowed us to learn any language in the world, German or Arabic or Burmese or Greek, with equal ease. Now we all have our mother tongue firmly established in our brains, and it’s not as easy to learn a second language. Now we all have to learn new languages knowing their structure, grammar, etc., giving every word a strange name – again, even at school we learn those names for our mother tongue.

    As future English teachers, we should know as much grammar as we can. We have to know the names of the structures – students will have questions and we have to be able to answer them as well as we can. We will always be learning along with the students, updating our knowledge, but we should always know a little bit more than them, or we wouldn’t be good teachers, right?

  23. #25 by Violetta Verdi on March 1, 2012 - 3:28 am

    Grammar is a very important part in the study of a second language. It helps us to understand the target language structure and lets us to remember more of the target language when we are aware of it. Of course, it is not easy to access to grammar at first but we have to think all the time that it will be a very useful tool for us while studying or teaching.

    • #26 by I can do this on March 2, 2012 - 2:00 pm

      Gaby,
      What about different aged learners of English, do younger learners need to know grammar also?
      Ellen

  24. #27 by Malena on March 1, 2012 - 8:40 pm

    Hi Ellen!!!

    I think that a teacher must have a good level of grammar because the students will need to solve their doubts about it, but I also belive that a teacher is a human being too and is in a continuous learning, that means that he or she can learn with their students, with new teachers and other people that have a new knowledge to share.

    For the students that are or want to learn a new language besides their mother tounge, grammar is important, that’s how their are going to start a good comunication, because the people would understand their ideas and feelings.

    Of course, there is a problem, usually the learnig of grammar is boring, so I think that before teaching the students the grammar rules and just ask them to sit down in front of the board, write and repeat, we should make practice and fun activities with them so they can introduce themselves in this boring world and make significant their learning. And it doesn’t matter if we are teaching children or adults, both of them are looking for no boring and useful learning.

  25. #28 by Fernando on March 2, 2012 - 5:33 am

    Well, I think an English teacher has to know everything about grammar since it is one of the most important things to learn when you are studying it. You have to know all the rules and follow them to. As more you know about grammar you can dominate some exceptions as well. And I think that when you are teaching grammar you don’t have to be very strict because in the daily English you not always apply the exact rules. For explain what I am trying to say is for example when you say “I have no money”. All we know that the rule says you need to use the auxiliary and grammatically speaking the correct is “I don’t have money”, but that is very estrange in the common English, and like that there are lots of examples (Exceptions). Some say that it depends on the age of the student or if they are beginners or not. But precisely I had this problem when I stared my study in English (1st semester). I asked my teacher “How can I say `No tengo dinero`” and she told me that (above), so I though “oh my teacher is crazy” and I could understand it very well. But fortunately I had the opportunity of continue with my study and I could realize (watching movies, listening to English speech, etc) that that was correct. But I think that we need to be fewer judgmental when we are learning, because we made our brain rejects more the new information. If we say “Teacher but the rule says…..” the teacher would stop us and say: “shh No buts!, no questioning and only learn” hehe.
    The learners have to know grammar as much as they can. Because, even the simplest sentence needs good grammar or a good exception. And if you want to have a high level of English you need to know a lot. For learn that without boring it could be why games on internet or making use of social networks like Facebook or chats in English where you can know native speakers or people with an excellent level and they can help you if you have mistakes but with a funny way. (At least that has worked on me). Only make your best and try to practice every time. You can do it. Luck with grammar!!! Go ahead!! =) Fer

    • #29 by I can do this on March 2, 2012 - 1:53 pm

      Fer
      As a student you seem to have had a great thirst for knowledge. Are alls tudents like you? Do they all want to know about grammar tidbits? How would you work with younger learners, for example?
      Ellen

  26. #30 by celtafma on March 2, 2012 - 7:06 am

    Owing to the fact that a language is a method of communication based on the use of words in a structured way, it’s very important for a teacher to have a high level of knowledge of how sentences are built, and even more if he/she is willing to transfer his/her expertise. But I think beyond great grammar skills, the understanding of linguistic is far more significant because it improves the ability to explain what makes sentences precise and clear.

  27. #31 by perliuzh on March 2, 2012 - 8:45 pm

    For me, grammar is very important because if you are good in grammar, it’s easier for the other people to understand what you are trying to say.
    Grammar is important not only if you are learning a second language, it’s also necessary to know how to express yourself correctly in your mother tongue because, even it’s the language you’ve learned since you were a baby, people doesn’t speak correctly for example they say “haiga” instead of “haya” or “fuistes” instead of “fuiste”. That’s why we are supposed to learn Spanish and it’s grammar structures at school. The same happens with English, common people make mistakes but in some way that’s normal because we are humans and humans make mistakes. The point here is to realize the need of continue learning because if we don’t we won’t have the opportunity to correct that mistakes.

    For example at school, you need someone (a teacher, maybe) that explain to you which could be a better way to say or to write that thing you were trying to say. So, that person must be prepared to mark out that mistakes that a student make. So, for a teacher it’s very important to have a good grammar speaking and writing.

    We must continue studying and being update because knowledge is not something motionless.

  28. #32 by Rafael Solís on March 2, 2012 - 9:04 pm

    I think the use of grammar is important for those who are beginners and who are studying English as a Second Language. However, I think Grammar is not taught in a good way and many English students don´t understand all the grammar structures. In my personal opinion, I think as a teacher I must encourage my students to understand and teach them all the correct grammar structures in order to provide them the knowledge that they need to understand the role it plays in a sentence.
    Sometimes grammar is extensive and kind of boring for students, so I think it is very important that as teachers we must be creative with the students and tell them that every single word has some specific place in the sentence. We have to be creative with students when we are explaining all the grammar structures in a sentence in order for the class to become more dynamic and enthusiastic, because as I have said before sometimes grammar is complex. I remember when I used to hear my English teacher and he told me all the different ways to make a sentence sometimes I felt bored because he taught me in the same classical way that almost all the English teacher learned, so I think we need to teach our students to learn the correct way to write but for that we need to use the grammatical structure correctly and an another way to teach.

    • #33 by I can do this on March 3, 2012 - 3:45 am

      Rafael,
      Are you saying that students need to be more involved with their learning? What do you mean when you say ” the same classical way”?
      Ellen

      • #34 by Rafael Solís on March 8, 2012 - 9:40 pm

        Hi Ellen,

        I was trying to say that we have to teach our students with different type of structures, like for example not only do what the book says, i mean “break rules” with different games or activities that students don´t feel bored about it.

        Rafael

  29. #35 by fatimacasas on March 2, 2012 - 11:34 pm

    What I’m going to express it’s not something about being higher or better tan other person but it’s so true that teachers have to know more grammar than students. Level of grammar has to be really good. I mean, a teacher would not be a “gifted teacher” but he/she has to know enough to struggle the difficulties of grammar and what it’s more challenging: answer correctly to a student about a grammar question. When the teacher doesn’t know the answer he/she has to demonstrate a positive attitude that includes partnership teacher-student to find the correct answer.
    The great source Ellen provides us is awesome! That’s an example how students learn grammar without being bored. I’m a young person so, as a teacher, I would like to: make quotidian examples by acting them. One student can do mimics (about grammar structure we’re studying); others guess and saying correct grammar (answer)… something like that ☺.
    Fatima

    • #36 by I can do this on March 3, 2012 - 3:41 am

      Fatima
      The word partnership is a very important word for the classroom and your example really illustrates how it can be employed.
      Ellen

  30. #37 by fanny on March 3, 2012 - 2:51 am

    When I was around 10, I was lucky enough to have a teacher who actually cared about us enjoying learning. Since internet videos weren’t so popular back then, the best thing she could do was playing songs and lots of games. I still remember my friend Jaime showing off proudly the giant chocolate bar he won at the “noun song contest”, he was the one who memorized more nouns from the Noun song (which I just happened to find! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfgIlgpTbA ) than anyone. Now I realize that the goal of that activity wasn’t to memorize a big bunch of words, but to learn grammar. I bet my friend Jaime, just like me, will never forget that nouns are “words that mean a person place or thing…”, and right after that I’ll always think about “a cabbage or king.”
    Examples like these were used for helping us understand (which is more important than “learn”) other parts of speech. Did my teacher know enough grammar? Should teachers know a lot of grammar? Of course! Any discussion about it is simply worthless. We are not teaching a newborn his native language, we are teaching people that already have the codes for a different language inserted in their brains, although they may not be able to explain it yet, therefore, we must be able to explain the structures that our students know already and compare them with the ones we are looking forward for them to understand. This, however, may be very hard for little kids. That is why a structuralist and normative explanation of grammar isn’t suitable for working with them, this only leads to frustrated children that can neither memorize words and their parts of speech nor appreciate how important grammar is for learning a language. Keep it simple, keep it fun.

    To conclude, let’s think of the next question: “What makes grammar so boring and so difficult for children to understand?” I would like to give an answer by making another question: Why do teachers expect children to be interested in it if they (teachers) don’t seem to like it either? Loving what you do is the best way to make others start appreciating it, and tips such as using movie segments or singing songs are only some of the tools that can help you express that love! 😀

    • #38 by I can do this on March 3, 2012 - 3:31 am

      Fany,
      Your memory will help you in your teaching. Using your previous learning experience based on student-centered learning and fun will be a strong influence on the way you form yourself to be a teacher. It is great experiences like these that can be the base for you becoming a great teacher.
      Great post!
      Ellen

  31. #39 by sleepy18 on March 3, 2012 - 5:52 am

    I remember in second grade when the teacher would comment about learning grammar; you could look around the room and everybody had some type of frown on their face. It was priceless back then, but now, as a teacher, I look at it very differently. Giving classes for some time now, I realize that grammar is an important thing in any language. The barriers broken with the knowledge of grammar are beneficial in various ways.
    When I give class, I would like to see smiles on my students face’s, because the frowns that I receive instead really make me sad; I realize its not so entertaining anymore as it was back then. We need to renovate our way of teaching grammar; exploring new and fun ways to teach this subject. Making it interesting for our students.
    I hope and I’m very glad, we can all come together on the subject, and share our ideas and thoughts.

    • #40 by I can do this on March 4, 2012 - 12:29 am

      Agustin, I agree, it is really iportant that our students feel enthusiastic about what they are learning. Usually, the teachers who feels unmotivated about teaching grammar is usually the teacher that is unable to motivate the students…
      Ellen

  32. #41 by ginalomelin on September 10, 2012 - 11:40 am

    How much do I know about grammar???? Well, I can tell you that I really need to improve about this fact, this is one of the harderst subjects when learning even our mother tongue, I like grammar, although I find it really hard to understand. I am aware that my mind has to be really opened to let grammar get in my brain and understand it perfectly. I´ll catch as many help and ideas as I can.

    • #42 by I can do this on September 11, 2012 - 1:12 am

      Grammar just by itself can be difficult to learn, but related to contexts and fun things like videos, life experiences, songs, chatting, or anything we imagine, we can learn grammar without even being aware that we are learning!
      Ellen

  33. #43 by David Francisco on September 11, 2012 - 12:17 am

    Hello everyone
    The grammar and the vocabulary are essential parts of a language. In fact I think they are the bricks that allow the construction of it. But like many people who have posted above I think that for speaking a language you don’t need to know grammar. In fact many people speak foreign languages without knowing a bit of grammar but, this is because they learned the language in a similar way that they learned their mother tongue using only their repertory of vocabulary that they were learning with the time and the experience life and without studying the grammar, however, this doesn´t mean that they speak the language in a correct way.

    On the other hand, for responding the questions, in order to teach a foreign language is very useful to know so much grammar because knowing it, could help us in the teaching-learning process even for beginning classes, although there many ways for teaching and learning a new foreign language like the language immersion method that not necessary applies the teaching of grammar as an essential part.

    As a conclusion, definitely I can say that knowing the grammatical structure of the language is very important in the teaching-learning process, so in that way the language learned it’s a language with all the parts that make it functional.

  34. #44 by alebonez12 on September 11, 2012 - 4:57 pm

    Howdy all,
    Well English for me was like a secondary language. I had to know when I was living in the states. Well now we´re going to be English teachers we should at least have a very good level of grammar and grammar structures too. Cause if we plan to teach kids, teenagers, or adults we should be confident about ourselves that we actually know a lot or the sufficient to teach the person the language. As 9th semester graduates I think we come out as certified students with the advance language inside of us, but we might still have some trouble with the grammar. So TKT is the chance to actually give our best effort. To be ELT we should know the most of the language because in a given opportunity to prove our knowledge in the language, I think we wouldn’t have to hesitate to demonstrate to the society that we actually do know something.

    • #45 by I can do this on September 12, 2012 - 2:51 pm

      Alejo,
      Although TKT will not test your knowledge about language, the test does have questions about grammar that you should know. I imagine it is because teachers should know the structure of a language in order to be able to teach it. You mention kids, teenagers, or adults in your post when referring to how much grammar you will need to know. You will find that in practice, mostly adults will ask about the grammar underlying the communicative structures in utterances. Kids and teens usually just want to communicate.
      Another point you make is that society asks us to prove that we know what we teach. That is done through a proficiency exam, like the FCE or the TOEFL.
      Great commenting; you seem like a natural in the blogosphere.
      Ellen

  35. #46 by indyraco on September 11, 2012 - 11:40 pm

    How much grammar we need to know? In my opinion the correct use of grammar in teaching process is very important a teacher needs to know everything about it but not only the knowledge, because it is not enough in the process, a teacher has to use his or her skills what I am trying to say is necessary that a teacher knows learning techniques because without it the learning could be unconscious and boring.
    On the other hand I think that there’s not a rule about how much a student need to know because I think that continuously he or she is a learner, the only thing they need is motivation.

    • #47 by I can do this on September 12, 2012 - 2:40 pm

      Laura,
      You touch an important point: teachers need to know the grammar, but students do not. Learning grammar can become a tedious process, especially if traditional passive learning methodology is applied in language learning classes. Usually, students ask for grammar explanations when they need to know things to clarify their learning process. Good commenting.
      Ellen

  36. #48 by indyraco on September 12, 2012 - 1:34 am

    Ellen I do not why appear this URL this is my blog http://teachingprocess.edublogs.org/

    • #49 by I can do this on September 12, 2012 - 1:22 pm

      Laura,
      Your blog is listed by your name under the section TKT 2012-13. You are doing a great job personalizing your blog.

  37. #50 by zavalatkt on September 13, 2012 - 1:03 am

    Grammar is rules, clauses, syntax and even phonetics and semantics and these elements are the way to get into the use of:

    • Conditionals
    • Time actions
    • To be specific in time quantities and measures
    • To be able and then
    • To communicate effectively in different contexts

    I might suggest that in a basic level an English teacher must know pretty well all the elements he/she manages for the level or levels in charge. In public education or even in private in the initial courses you could not master the most exquisite rules but, at least, there is a minimum. And you can know which is by revising all the contents and reviewing and conceiving how to offer those rules to newcomers in English.
    To read my whole thinking visit me at: http://zavalatkt.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/grammar/

  38. #51 by rosario on September 15, 2012 - 7:10 am

    In my opinion Its necessary that a person that teach a language should know the correctly use of the language, that is to know the rules that have to be followed to form language sentences in order to communicate a message. A teacher is a model for the students, they repeat what they listen, thus students have to learn the languague through a context, in order to learn how to use the language to communicate in a natural way without thinking in grammar. That’s why a teacher have to be creative with the activites in the classroom allowing students an active participation. You cannot teach language without grammar.

    • #52 by I can do this on September 15, 2012 - 12:13 pm

      Chayo,
      Can you give an example of being creative and an activity?
      Ellen

  39. #53 by Maureen on September 15, 2012 - 8:55 am

    Grammar… what a difficult thing not only for english… Grammar matters in every language. Teachers should know everything about grammar… why? because student always will be asking about how to write? or how to spell? if you´re still student the best way of learn grammar it´s starting right NOW! You know “the faster, the better”
    As a teacher if you want to teach your students some grammar why don´t you start
    with some funny images who have grammar mistakes, they will have fun and they might memorize those words.

    • #54 by I can do this on September 15, 2012 - 12:12 pm

      Maureen,
      That is a great idea. How would you teach passive voice with funny images? Can you be more specific? I’d like to know more.
      Ellen

  40. #55 by mauriciomurillo on September 22, 2012 - 2:54 am

    Hi teacher ! I think that a teacher should know a lot of grammar. The knowledge of the teacher should be enough to satisfy the needs of his students. A good teacher should be always trying to improve his grammar of the language that he is teaching and his skills and tools to teach it. The teacher should do interesting activities related with the things that his students enjoy. On the other hand, a good student should know all the grammar that his teacher give him and be always asking for more. Also the student should find other ways to learn more grammar and be more prepared than the rest of the class.

    Mauricio M.

    • #56 by I can do this on September 22, 2012 - 3:17 am

      Mauricio,
      Well said and well written. I agree with you 110% when you say that a good teacher should always try to improve and learn new things. However, I am not sure that it is the teacher’s job to ‘give’ students things. that makes students passive.
      Ellen

  41. #57 by Franco on March 20, 2013 - 1:08 am

    I think grammar is important in every language because it will give the correct meaning to everything we say, but maybe it’s just that everyone think is just following some boring rules so they ignore them and that why they never stop to analyze their words. Maybe because their teachers didn’t use any dynamic way to teach grammar so the people could remember all the right grammar rules, that’s why I think we as teacher should know grammar and always find some fun ways to teach it to the new students they can communicate.

  42. #58 by lalogomez1991 on March 22, 2013 - 3:29 am

    I think we as teachers we need to know the basic grammar rules in order to be able to explain it to the students’ questions about sentences’ structures; also enough to not make mistakes and to be able to correct them using the grammar knowledge that us the teacher possess. In the case of the students, I guess it depends on how their studies, but I think every student is different and they learn differently. the stuendent should be able to know almost everything there is in grammar, but like i said it depends on the students. We as teacher we can make a wide variety of games using grammar, or we can us the technology in our classes, also we can use music and other media to teach grammar. here is a website where you can play a wide variety of games online.
    http://www.harcourtschool.com/menus/preview/harcourt_language/grammar_park.html
    what you do is look at the different games, and just choose which ever game you need to use in your classroom.

    • #59 by I can do this on March 22, 2013 - 4:03 am

      Hello Lalo,
      This looks like a great site. Can you recommend one game in particular?

  43. #60 by lhwgirl4600 on March 22, 2013 - 8:52 pm

    As teachers, we should have a vast knowledge when it comes to grammar. I believe it’s imperative that children and/or adults learn it, given that without it they’ll be unable to express their thoughts and ideas in a proper manner.

    In order for our students to learn English without feeling like their heads are about to explode, or being completely bored by it, it is necessary to find new fun and easy ways to accomplish the very hard task of teaching grammar. I was able to find a few games online that we can use to teach subjects, such as, “Parts of speech”, correct sentence structure, or “Antonyms & synonyms”;the games mentioned are aimed for children and preteens. For adults, there’s a website that covers pretty much every grammar subject there is in a very dynamic way.

    Now, I have to say that in my very humble opinion, learning English through movies, TV shows, literature and music is definitely the best alternative there is, because you get it from every angle. I support and am a fan of this particular way of teaching because that is the way I learned; to me there’s just no better way to get in touch with new vocabulary (spoken and written) not to mention the right pronunciation and improvement of fluency by reading aloud. For example, when teaching the third conditional a good way to do it would be through the episode “The One That Could Have Been” from the sixth season of the TV show “Friends”; it meets the goal to teach such subject, and it´s a lot more fun than just reading the rules in a book.

  44. #61 by almondgm on March 23, 2013 - 2:55 am

    As a teacher it’s important to have a lot of tools to teach grammar in a funny way so the student can withhold and understand easily, the point is when you try to teach something complicated like grammar the best way to do that is the simplest as you can find, for example practical activities and motivational games, songs or tv shows, maybe show (highlight) the famous people mistakes. I found this website and I think is very helpful for kids to learn grammar here is the link so you can analyze and test how good is http://learnenglishkids.britishcouncil.org/en/grammar-games

  45. #62 by isacue1 on March 23, 2013 - 4:50 am

    What is a teacher better yet an English teacher? Princeton’s Wordnet defines the word teacher as an instructor (noun) a person whose occupation is teaching, but I believe that teachers are far more than that.

    A Language teacher should have a vast knowledge when it comes to grammar and a good method to teach it with loosing the interest of their students. Grammar, are the rules a language has for it to be understandable. Adults learn grammar very differently from children, but both lose interest when the activity for teaching grammar is dull. Games are always fun but the learning is limited and not real world. When I was a kid my ESL teacher would have us do small plays of 4 to 6 kids and we told create the whole thing the only thing she did was give us the topic. While the rest of us watch she had them point out our grammar mistakes and then discuss it as a class. From my experience of teaching adults like to learn more logically, they enjoy games but only after they understand the rules because they want to be sure of their answer. I believe that the level of grammar a person needs to know depends on their age the older someone gets the more he/she will understand but for them to understand better starting young with a grammar base teaching method is substantial.

    English was my second language; I was in the ESL program in the school I went to. My ESL teacher was great I never just saw her as a teacher but as someone that I could go to when I had doubts or problems, English being my second language was hard especially the grammar and pronunciation. Her method of teaching us the language was unique she wasn’t the teacher who just worked out of the book, she made sure we learned from each other, of she was always there to make sure we learned the correctly. Puppets and role playing helped a lot, reading aloud was very important to her and this helped us with our pronunciation and vocabulary.

    • #63 by I can do this on March 23, 2013 - 12:31 pm

      Isaias,
      With the experience of the ESL facilitator you had in US high school, you have a strong role model on which to build your own teaching skills. You have already learned that people gain more by doing and having experiences than by book-learning. It is our experiences that make us what we are, and yours will help you to teach “out of the box”, as they say.
      Thanks for sharing. Ellen

  46. #64 by ginnaluviano on March 23, 2013 - 5:51 pm

    My brother always says me “Never is enough…” And I think that knowledge isn’t the exception, so as a teacher, you have the responsibility of always learn and learn more, without limits.
    About the question, how much grammar do students need to know? I only can think, how far the students want to go, in their academic life? I’ve been a student almost all my life, and for me is clear that sometimes (only sometimes) students don’t want to learn more than the necessary and that’s when the teachers have to come up, whit their super-hero’s skills, and lots of different and updated activities. I think that combine activities than involves movements, interaction and videos (or audio) wouldn’t bore the students quickly…

    http://www.funbrain.com/grammar/index.html

  47. #65 by nerytkt on September 11, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    Hello Ellen!!

    In order to answer your question I believe that for any kind of teacher it´s of great importance to prepare themselves as much as they can because there is a huge difference between being very good in any kind of subject (English, mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc.) and to know how to teach it, that´s a whole different job. Just because you´re very good at something doesn´t mean that you´re going to be very good at teaching it, that requires training and a different kind of knowledge that will allow you to identify the easiest way to facilitate that learning to the students through techniques and tools to provide them with a learning experience that just not stays in the book but that they can relate and apply in their life. I believe the last point was the main purpose of the ancient Greek learning schools, the education of man not only as a way to discover the true about the universe but as a way to develop humanity itself. Nowadays, I believe the problem rest in the lack of effective educative programs which increase the necessity to add a pedagogy course into the teachers training that allows them to plan and construct classes that will cover the necessities of their students. As a psychologist I can tell that learning is not about getting the teacher idea´s it´s about constructing your own solution to the same problem through a different new path. Therefore a teacher must be in constant evolution always pending of the newest teaching techniques. Technology has proven to be a very helpful tool, in the very specific case of English learning I think that´s an indispensable one because it gets us closer to the native language and to the culture of said country.

    In this page, I found an introductory video about the grammar importance:
    http://funeasyenglish.com/new-american-english-grammar-introduction.htm

    And in this one I found dynamics techniques that we can use during class. Their purpose is to help students to use and practice past tense and past perfect but I think thay can be adapt to another goals as well
    http://busyteacher.org/2873-5-new-fun-ways-to-teach-grammar-to-esl-students.html

  48. #66 by nerytkt on September 12, 2013 - 7:30 pm

    By the way Ellen, I´m a little confused right now; is this our homework?? Or is it another stuff?? Because I can´t seem to find a post that resembles it. So if you could please enlighten me a little bit…O.o

    • #67 by I can do this on September 13, 2013 - 3:47 am

      Hello Nery, you already responded with a great comment!
      See you on Saturday.
      Ellen

  49. #68 by berenicedm on September 13, 2013 - 1:20 am

    How much grammar do you need to know in order to teach English???

    As you say, perhaps for beginning classes not much, but you’ll never be sure what your students might ask you, and you would definitely want to know the answer, we can’t know it all, but at least you’ll know what and where to look for, after all, if you don’t know the answer, you can always learn something new along with our students.
    We all need awareness of grammar, even in our own mother tongue. We have to learn that grammar is substantial even though it seems difficult and boring, we’l have to figure a way to make it less complicated, and more interesting and fun to our students and to ourselves even if your not such a fan of grammar.

    If you speak English correctly your students will learn it correctly, so if you want to be a good teacher and really teach, we have to know our grammar to pass it on, no matter if they’re children, teens or adults, knowing grammar will make it easy for you to teach it and to explain it to others, otherwise, go ahead and learn English from movies, T.V., internet, native speakers, chats etc., you would definitely learn something, just not the correct thing or in the correct way.

    I remember when I was in elementary school, I studied at Piaget by the way, and there were some teachers that really made everything fun about learning, they made us play games and sing songs to help us learn certain things and nowadays I think that those are the things I remember the most, and with a smile!! that is what we should do with our future students, to make them learn with a smile!!! =D

  50. #69 by lupizknz on September 13, 2013 - 1:33 am

    Hello Ellen, well I believe that it is very important that a teacher comes to class prepared for any kind of question that a student can make. It’s impossible for a teacher to know everything. As students learn from us we also learn from them. And they encourage us to be prepared for every day lesson. Having a dynamic and fun class is a great way for beginners to be interested in grammar. Making students discover by themselves parts of speech in different kinds of games is an option for not having them bored listening you talk all day.

  51. #70 by sachacastro on September 13, 2013 - 3:54 am

    Grammar is defined by some authors as a set of rules about how words in a language work together, which is necessary for expressing complex ideas and thoughts properly. Speaking and writing without applying grammar at all would be confusing and inaccurate. It would be similar to those Stone Age dialects where normal communication was not much more complex than “food”, “water” and “sleep”.
    Usually, learning grammar is, for most of us, a natural process. We gradually develop a better sense of understanding with the passage of time. But when we learn (and teach) a foreign language we have to study it in depth. “Enough grammar” does not exist. Of course, nobody is perfect. But kids and teenagers often learn things by imitation and, as teachers, we have to give them the best example we can. I know it could be hard to find a person who spontaneously uses the past perfect tense nowadays, but it must be used and it must be taught, or your students will be lacking a useful tool for communication. We have learned here that grammar even adds credibility to what you say and to what you write. In other words, you have to learn grammar in order to give a good impression to other people.
    We have to find ways to teach students essential grammar in a meaningful way rather than boring them to death with “the rules in the book”. A good method I have found on the internet for practicing verb tenses is using a timeline. Write there some important events of your life and then add major events of the world. They can practice with their classmates’ timelines elaborating affirmations, negative sentences and questions. Your students will be able to say that “Daft Punk’s ‘Random Acces Memories’ hadn’t been released when you were born”, that “you were 8 when France won the FIFA World Cup”; and to ask “Will you be older than 25 when Rio de Janeiro Olympic Games begin?” (in my case). Just use your imagination and be creative!

    See you next Saturday!

  52. #71 by gloriamgonzalez83 on September 13, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    A teacher is always known as “the one who knows EVERYTHING”, so in order to be a better teacher, I believe I have to be prepared with the basis of the language, GRAMMAR :).

    Looking back, I remember my English teacher in middle school, he didn’t know anything about grammar, how sad, because I don’t think he is the only one that does NOT know grammar, so, I don’t give that same impression to my future students one day!!!

    Also, knowing the GRAMMAR, is easier to teach it to your students, less frustrating on why not? way more fun for the kids/students to learn 🙂

  53. #72 by jmariana on September 13, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    As you said, I know that people who studied at USA don’t know much about grammar, I have a cousin who has lived there all her life and when I told her things like “I’m learning the present perfect”, she would tell me: “What are you talking about?”. And that happens here too, there are people who don’t know what a noun, an adverb or an adjective are. Never the less, I think that as English teachers we should know everything about grammar; I have noticed that knowing grammar really helps to understand better any language and that is crucial in order to get to teach it.

  54. #73 by lesley99 on September 13, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    well, the question is very interesting, How much grammar I have to know as a teacher? , first i think the grammar is very important in any language, I can not imagine a Teacher who dont´know it the bassic, because the pupils ask many things about it and you need answer them with true answers. The bassic i think are pronouns, nouns, verbs, conjuctions, prepositions, tense (present, past, future), auxiliaries.
    The teacher role is also very important, every day you have to prepare and study, now there are pupils very smart whom realize if you have knowledge.

    • #74 by lesley99 on September 13, 2013 - 6:53 pm

      I agree with you gloria, i remembered the same and I said “ah my teacher don´t know anything, it´s so sad, I think I could be her teacher :)” and now I would not like that my pupils said that. In many times I asked her, why is that? And the answer was “The English is that” I really would like answer, “well the english is easy becausse the grammar is not so difficult like the Spanish” but with my own argument, can back up them, make they are agree with me not because I said, but also they were convinced.

    • #75 by I can do this on September 14, 2013 - 4:33 am

      Lesly,
      I would like to add something to your comment. I think that a good teacher of language might not have to know about grammar if the objective of what he or she teaches is communication. When we learn language as children, we learn how to speak and listen, but do we know the grammar? People who travel might not need to know so much grammar, does a teacher who prepares travellers need to know grammar in order to help the students get ready for a trip? These are just some things to think about.
      Ellen

  55. #76 by mycoquin on September 14, 2013 - 1:15 am

    Many people that I have met over the two countries the I have lived are consider to be people who have a decent vocabulary of grammar, but if i were to give my opinion about the grammar amount that we have to have, it will be a lot and not just for English but in other languages as well. Of course many people around the world have their own vocabulary but in this particular case I think that in order to teach English we have to have an extended grammar in order to teach people in the correct way even if is just for begginers. Grammar for me its consider the root of our personalitym because that’s how many people express themselves in the society.
    For many cultures who want to succed in life grammar its part of their lives, in every aspect of their lives, we use grammar everywhere and in everything, in few words grammar its essential in our lives. In ELT grammar its a very important source of learning and it will help us in many different ways, some examples will be that we can be able to train our vocabulary and our form of talking English, also it can very useful to learn new techniques of teaching, and we will be learning new skills of teaching. With grammar we can be more capable of teaching and finding the real meaning of grammar. Grammar its just very important in society.

  56. #77 by Rosa on September 14, 2013 - 1:25 am

    How much grammar should we know? Knowledge is uncountable; we have to go further that we already know. We never stop learning, is always an advantage when we are updated with English and in general also. In my opinion, a very important aspect that we should not forget is that we have to be in continuing contact with our second language, it is pretty stimulating when we know that we had an improvement.
    The time that we have been learning English, grammar has been a difficult subject to learn, all the structures, rules and functions are hard to pick them up, even more when we study by conventional methods. Through time we have developed our visual skills, learning it is a lot easy if we use our visual abilities as seeing images our watching videos which is a better option because is a combination of two types of intelligence, the auditory and the visual, so we have to keep this in our minds to learn a lot more and also to do a better job as teachers.

  57. #78 by juhamatti Kumpulainen on September 14, 2013 - 8:04 am

    How much grammar should we know? I guess you can’t give a right answer to that question so easily… In a perfect world I’d able to say that I know everything about the English grammar, so I wouldn’t have to worry about this question at all. Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world so we can’t know everything about grammar. Not even the grammar of your own mother language, being a native speaker.

    You can never know enough, I’d say. It’s important to learn more and more every day so maybe some day you could know “quite a lot” about grammar. Is it enough to teach English? Well, it depends… You don’t have to be a grammar expert in order to teach basic English, but the more advanced the level, the more grammar is necessary. To teach English at a very advanced level, I think we should know “many damn things” about grammar. It’s important to study more and more grammar every day and try to learn it as well as possible.

    Knowing grammar is very important in ELT because we have to be able to teach the language correctly and answer all the questions that our future students will ask us. It’d be quite annoying if we couldn’t give a correct answer to some of their questions. So, it’s obvious that knowing the grammar very well is one “requirement” to become a good English teacher.

  58. #79 by hectorjt on September 14, 2013 - 10:25 am

    Grammar is essential in order to teach and learn a language properly, and even though being a teacher does not mean to know everything about something; it wouldn’t make sense to teach a language without knowing any grammatical rules. A teacher should know enough about grammar to be able to answer student’s questions.
    According to the students needs, the teacher must find a better way to make grammar more attractive to learn. I would really make emphasize in the way of teaching, I believe that young learners do need to know about grammar, but the way of teaching should be different, they tend to learn better with games and activities and they are learning without even knowing it!
    Thanks to technology there’s a lot o fun sites, videos and tools that teachers could use to make it easier, so grammar won’t be dull anymore!

  59. #80 by IreriCastillo on September 14, 2013 - 5:34 pm

    I think that someone who dares to teach English should have very wide English grammar knowledge. I am not saying that he or she should know everything, because even when you are a teacher, you are still learning. Besides, in our case, as a not native speakers, it is difficult (not impossible) to adopt different structure because our language structures differently.
    It might be very easy to find grammar boring when you are a student. Actually, grammar is very important to have a better understanding of the language, so how much grammar do students need to know? The more they know the better. Now, the problem would be how they learn it. That is why, as teachers, we have the obligation to teach grammar in the most interesting and funny ways.
    Watching the videos made me think again about my own grammar knowledge (which, by the way, is really poor, but I consider it as a self-improvement opportunity). Certainly, this course will shake our foundations, and it is doing it already! Which I thing is great!
    Here there are some grammar sites…

    http://irericastillo.wordpress.com/tkt/

  60. #81 by Aloha zavala on March 3, 2014 - 11:34 pm

    Hello…
    Well, as a teacher, we have to know enough grammar for the class because the students are going to have a lot of questions about it and we want to be clear in our explanation.
    In fact, grammar is the study of words working together and it shows any progress in the students when they are learning a new language like English.
    As teachers of English, we have to use grammar material in such a way that the students can formulate the grammar rules themselves as a conclusion from the structures given to them either in a short conversation, a funny story, a song, an article, a letter or a movie.
    Also, grammar rules are better learned when the students feel the necessity of this or that structure, especially in unprepared speeches like debates.

  61. #82 by Daniel Adame on March 5, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    I would imagine that knowing grammar very well would be just as important as knowing how to teach it. I feel the importance of grammar goes up according to th difficulty level of the class and age group.
    With children that are in Pre-school and Primary School, grammar I imagine, comes secondary. I say this because for a child in primary school the development of vocabulary is more important. If we look back on our first classes of english, we learned colors, numbers and how to present ourselves. These are basic insturments of english that require no grammar. As the levels advance the need for a more polished grammar is seen.
    For students in Secondary and High School, the writing of essays and papers would require more depth and knowlegde about grammar. So as a teacher of higher, more advanced english learners, the necessary grammar level is mandatory since there are bound to be questions about grammar and it would be ideal to know the answer and be equipt with the knowledge.
    Teaching grammar can be very amusing with the right tools and the correct attitude.

  62. #83 by paredesnatalia on March 6, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Our TKT book says that we need Grammar to make “meaning”, that as teachers, we will be needing it to “describe” language and that Grammar includes a great deal of “forms” and “uses”, based on this explanation and my personal experience as a foreign language learner I can only conclude that Grammar is essential for communication, important to understand how the language works and it can be vast and complicated to teach. In my opinion a well-trained teacher should not only know Grammar but master it! Now, once this has been accomplished the following step is: what Grammar to teach and what method to use, quite a challenge! The question here it is if we are ready to face it or we still need training…

  63. #84 by Daniel H. on March 7, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    I think every teacher should be able to the master or have a good knowledge of the grammar he or she’s suppose to teach. The very least that can be done it’s to check out the grammar before every class in case of there’s a lot of questions from the students. It doesn´t matter if the course it’s not a grammar focused one, the teacher still needs to know his grammar and correct the error without getting into too much details. I would also like to say that one of the most important aspects of knowing grammar it’s because the learners need to write and spell correctly, and if the teacher doesn’t know grammar, he or she won’t be able to help them.

  64. #85 by Judith2014 on March 8, 2014 - 2:54 am

    I do completely agree to the differences made by further classmates: learning a language as a child is quite different from learning a language being adult. My pupils have been asking me many times why the sentence has to be this way and not the other way round and explaining them how language works, which forms exist and how we can assemble words in a certain grammar order has made them see on one hand the complexity of language and on the other hand helped them to categorize. This is one part of what we do a lot while learning, we categorize and put pieces of puzzles together. Indeed many pupils will perhaps not know the exact term but understanding the system that language is made of makes them understand the signification. Of course then you can play with these forms and make up new systems; that would be like in poetry for example. It’s the same with paintings, knowing the system and its rules you can play with it, change and internalize it. But first of all grammar forms essentially part of language acquisition.
    Having a look at newer classroom books you can sometimes find categories in the vocabulary list: they are divided into nouns, adjectives, conjunctions, determiners, adverbs, auxiliaries etc. – so that by classifying students build up their own mental system in order to understand how language works.
    Having automated and internalized rules and forms (e.g. concerning word order) we can tend to apply those without being certain if it´s correct or not or can´t remember why we had to add an “s” before or after the apostrophe.
    That´s one reason why we can see that being a native speaker doesn´t imply knowing how to explain grammar; although grammar is the answer to the question “why?”. For me it´s of principal importance to learn grammar and as language is changing grammar as well, systems are changing and moving. The content without its form could swallow around like a monster, it´s hard to catch or to grap it – in my opinion the same happens to students who want to grap, that´s to say understand language but can´t handle it, missing grammar.

  65. #86 by sofrixer22 on March 8, 2014 - 5:44 am

    Hi =)

    I my opinion a language teacher should know as much grammar as possible but sometimes is too difficult to even know grammar in our own tongue, is a big challenge to learn grammar and even bigger to teach it.

    I believe we are all students and teachers at some point of our lives, that is why I also think students should know as much grammar as they can, learning a second language isn’t easy but has it´s advantages, one of them is that we reaffirm our knowledge about our mother tongue, and in many cases we learn by using a comparative method between the mother tongue and the target language, this method allows us to learn a language starting with what we already know about our own, providing a meaningful learning, I think when students learn grammar feel more confident to express themselves in L2, Grammar is essential when teaching and learning a second language, it doesn’t matter if we learn it in a formal way or by immersion.

  66. #87 by sofrixer22 on March 8, 2014 - 5:47 am

    Hi =)

    In my opinion a language teacher should know as much grammar as possible but sometimes is too difficult to even know grammar in our own tongue, is a big challenge to learn grammar and even bigger to teach it.

    I believe we are all students and teachers at some point of our lives, that is why I also think students should know as much grammar as they can, learning a second language isn’t easy but has it´s advantages, one of them is that we reaffirm our knowledge about our mother tongue, and in many cases we learn by using a comparative method between the mother tongue and the target language, this method allows us to learn a language starting with what we already know about our own, providing a meaningful learning, I think when students learn grammar feel more confident to express themselves in L2, Grammar is essential when teaching and learning a second language, it doesn’t matter if we learn it in a formal way or by immersion.

  67. #88 by eraguia / Erika on March 8, 2014 - 5:37 pm

    Well as teachers we are suppose to know as much as grammar as we can because we are the ones who will guide new learners to this interesting language. Although, for me, the most important part is which way we are going to chose to transmit all our grammar knowledge. Every children is different, they learn in different ways so we have to be aware of what is the best methodology in call.

    It is true that not always is necessary to know the grammar in order to learn it. This always happens in our native language. But the problem comes when wish to adquired a foreign language. In this case grammar has a great importance because it allows students to differenciate languages and it avoid confussion.

  68. #89 by essylou42 on September 11, 2015 - 6:42 pm

    I think that grammar is helpful when someone needs to know logical reasons to acept the stractures of a new learning language.

  69. #90 by essylou42 on September 11, 2015 - 7:23 pm

    Some adult learners demand it.Otherwise they feel puzzled,and think it is too hard to learn. It matters what the needs are of the person to use a second language And knowing that there are many ways for the mind to solve situations, a teacher needs to identify how the student in particular may learn to be able
    to apply the appropiate learning style. Grammer is essencial to an English teacher so important to be a correct apeaker to be an example and a model.

    For the reasons above you could see how important grammar is in ELT .

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